Brilliant Book Titles #1

An occasional series of blog posts whenever something takes my fancy.
I spotted this book on the library shelves this morning!

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You can reserve a copy online at South Dublin Libraries’ catalogue here.

In September 1939, just three weeks after the outbreak of war, Gladys Mason wrote briefly in her diary about events in Europe: ‘Hitler watched German siege of Warsaw. City in flames.’ And, she continued, ‘Had my wedding dress fitted. Lovely.’

For Gladys Mason, and for thousands of women throughout the long years of the war, fashion was not simply a distraction, but a necessity – and one they weren’t going to give up easily. In the face of bombings, conscription, rationing and ludicrous bureaucracy, they maintained a sense of elegance and style with determination and often astonishing ingenuity. From the young woman who avoided the dreaded ‘forces bloomers’ by making knickers from military-issue silk maps, to Vogue‘s indomitable editor Audrey Withers, who balanced lobbying government on behalf of her readers with driving lorries for the war effort, Julie Summers weaves together stories from ordinary lives and high society to provide a unique picture of life during the Second World War.

As a nation went into uniform and women took on traditional male roles, clothing and beauty began to reflect changing social attitudes. For the first time, fashion was influenced not only by Hollywood and high society but by the demands of industrial production and the pressing need to ‘make-do-and-mend’. Beautifully illustrated and full of gorgeous detail, Fashion on the Ration lifts the veil on a fascinating era in British fashion.


Seabiscuit: Three Men and a Racehorse by Laura Hillenbrand


A book about a race horse that won the William Hill Sports Book of the Year 2001 and was later made into a film, starring Tobey Maguire, might seem a book of specialist interest only, however, Hillenbrand manages to produce a book that captures an era.

Concerned with the most unpromising superstar of the racetrack, she builds a world around this little horse and though it reads like a work of fiction, it is entirely factual. The endearing nature of this story is created by the fact that the horse, jockey and trainer were all washed up, no hopers. Life had dealt them cruel blows and they looked dead and buried, but they overcame all adversities. In this they carried the hopes and dreams of millions of Americans, during the depression years of the 1930s.

Hillenbrand has clearly done her research but this is presented in a most accessible and engaging way. The life of the young jockey in 1930’s America was dangerous and tough, but then life was tough for all. The importance of dreams and the hope of a better life, that all Americans of the Depression era carried, was embodied in this little horse, the battered jockey and the trainer touched by tragedy.  A truly “feel good” read – and you don’t need to be into horse racing to enjoy it.


You can reserve a copy online at South Dublin Libraries’ online catalogue here.

BONUS POST: Five Music Books to Watch Out For

From soundtracks to John Peel, from Northern Soul to musical rivalries, here’s five forthcoming music books to watch out for (all links below will bring you to our library catalogue to reserve a copy online):

Beyond the Beyond: Music from the Films of David Lynch Hardcover – 26 Apr 2016
From his early short films made in Philadelphia in the 1960s up through more recent feature films like Inland Empire (2006), legendary artist and director David Lynch (born 1946) has used sound to build mood, subvert audience expectations and create new layers of affective meaning. Produced in conjunction with Lynch, Beyond the Beyond: Music from the Films of David Lynch explores the use of music and sound in Lynch’s films, as well as his own original music, and draws on the director’s personal archives of photographs and ephemera from Eraserhead onward. This volume also features interviews with more than a dozen popular contemporary musicians who performed at the Ace Hotel’s April 2015 benefit for the David Lynch Foundation, including The Flaming Lips, Duran Duran, Moby, Sky Ferreira, Lykke Li, Karen O, Donovan, Angelo Badalamenti, Jim James, Chrysta Bell, Tennis, Twin Peaks and Zola Jesus.

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Your Favorite Band Is Killing Me: What Pop Music Rivalries Reveal about the Meaning of Life Paperback – 17 May 2016
Music critic Steven Hyden explores nineteen music rivalries and what they say about life
Beatles vs. Stones. Biggie vs. Tupac. Kanye vs. Taylor. Who do you choose? And what does that say about you? Actually–what do these endlessly argued-about pop music rivalries say about “us”?
Music opinions bring out passionate debate in people, and Steven Hyden knows that firsthand. Each chapter in YOUR FAVORITE BAND IS KILLING ME focuses on a pop music rivalry, from the classic to the very recent, and draws connections to the larger forces surrounding the pairing.
Through Hendrix vs. Clapton, Hyden explores burning out and fading away, while his take on Miley vs. Sinead gives readers a glimpse into the perennial battle between old and young. Funny and accessible, Hyden’s writing combines cultural criticism, personal anecdotes, and music history–and just may prompt you to give your least favorite band another chance.

My Music, My War – The Listening Habits of U.S. Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan Paperback – 19 May 2016
In the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, recent technological developments in music listening enabled troops to carry with them vast amounts of music and easily acquire new music, for themselves and to share with their fellow troops as well as friends and loved ones far away. This ethnographic study examines U.S. troops’ musical-listening habits during and after war, and the accompanying fear, domination, violence, isolation, pain, and loss that troops experienced. My Music, My War is a moving ethnographic account of what war was like for those most intimately involved. It shows how individuals survive in the messy webs of conflicting thoughts and emotions that are intricately part of the moment-to-moment and day-to-day phenomenon of war, and the pervasive memories in its aftermath. It gives fresh insight into musical listening as it relates to social dynamics, gender, community formation, memory, trauma, and politics.

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Good Night and Good Riddance: How Thirty-Five Years of John Peel Helped to Shape Modern Life Paperback – 19 May 2016
Goodnight and Good Riddance: How Thirty-Five Years of John Peel Helped to Shape Modern Britain is a social history, a diary of a nation’s changing culture, and an in-depth appraisal of one of our greatest broadcasters, a man who can legitimately be called the most influential figure in post-war British popular music.

Without the support of John Peel, it’s unlikely that innumerable artists – from David Bowie to Dizzee Rascal, Jethro Tull to Joy Division – would have received national radio exposure. But Peel’s influence goes much deeper than this. Whether he was championing punk, reggae, jungle or grime, he had a unique relationship with his audience that was part taste-maker, part trusted friend.

The book focuses on some 300 shows between 1967 and 2004, giving a thorough overview of Peel’s broadcasting career and placing it in its cultural and social contexts. Peel comes alive for the reader, as do the key developments that kept him at the cutting edge – the changes in his tastes; the changes in his thinking. Just like a Peel show, Goodnight and Good Riddance is warm, informative and insightful, and wears its enthusiasm proudly.

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Young Soul Rebels: A Personal History of Northern Soul Paperback – 19 May 2016
‘Nothing will ever compare to the amphetamine rush of my young life and the night I was nearly buggered by my girlfriend s uncle in the Potteries …’ The opening line of Stuart Cosgrove’s Young Soul Rebels sets up a compelling and intimate story of northern soul, Britain’s most fascinating musical underground scene, and takes the reader on a journey into the iconic clubs that made it famous The Twisted Wheel, The Torch, Wigan Casino, Blackpool Mecca and Cleethorpes Pier the bootleggers that made it infamous, the splits that threatened to divide the scene, the great unknown records that built its global reputation and the crate-digging collectors that travelled to America to unearth unknown sounds. The book sweeps across fifty years of British life and places the northern soul scene in a social context: the rise of amphetamine culture, the policing of youth culture, the north-south divide, the decline of coastal Britain, the Yorkshire Ripper inquiry, the rise of Thatcherism, the miners strike, the rave scene and music in the era of the world wide web. Books have been written about northern soul before but never with the same erudition and passion. Young Soul Rebels nails a scene that is as popular today as it was in its heyday in the 1970s.

Guerra by Jason Webster


The author Jason Webster is an American living in Spain for 12 years at the time of the publication of this book. He is a travel writer and has written several books on different aspects of life in Spain and also several crime novels. “Guerra”, however,  gives an account of the Spanish Civil War, the build up to it and its effects which are still felt today in Spanish society, sometimes under the surface but they are always there.

The author alternates between visiting important sites and cities from the civil war in the present day and examining the history and significance of these places in the past. He provides an accessible and fascinating account of this period in Spain’s history and mentions many well known people who in some way got caught up in the war: Ernest Hemingway fought on the side of the republicans before having to escape to safety in France, Federico Garcia Lorca, one of Spain’s greatest poets, was shot in the hills of Granada for speaking out against the Nationalists and Picasso’s most famous painting Guernica was inspired by the Basque town of the same name.

For anyone interested in Spain and its culture and history this book is a really great find!


You can reserve a copy of this online at South Dublin Libraries’ catalogue here.

The Regeneration Trilogy by Pat Barker


These three inter-related historical novels are set during the First World War and deal mainly with the treatment of soldiers suffering from the effect of shell shock. Several of the characters are based on historical figures such as Siegfried Sassoon and Wilfred Owen, famous war-poets but the series centers on Billy Prior, a fictional working class officer.

The opening novel is set in Craiglockhart Hospital which served as a psychiatric facility for war casualties in reality, and another of the principal characters, W.H.R. Rivers is based on a pioneering psychiatrist and anthropologist of the same name.

In the later section “The Ghost Road” we learn of his experiences on an Anthropological expedition to the Torres straits twenty years before.  Rivers comes across as empathetic towards his patients, contrasting with the attitudes and treatment of other medical staff at the time though it should be remembered that the soldiers involved were officers; I wonder how private men suffering from war trauma fared.

The writer gives us a good picture of what life and society was like in Britain and at the front during the conflict, mainly through the experiences of Prior. It’s definitely worth a read.


You can reserve copies of these books online at South Dublin Libraries’ catalogue here.

BONUS POST: Five Junior Novels to Watch Out For

Whether you’re a kid or a grown-up kid, here’s five junior novels to watch out for.
All book links below will bring you to our library catalogue to reserve a copy online.

(And if Teen Books are your thing, be sure to check out YAPS, the South Dublin Young Adult blog for recommendations, book reviews, exclusive reviews and more at

Love Song by Sophia Bennett (7 April 2016)
Seventeen-year-old Nina doesn’t get why everyone’s obsessed with The Point – but when she averts a backstage disaster and is offered a job on tour, she can hardly turn it down. She quickly learns that being with the hottest band on the planet isn’t as easy as it looks: behind the scenes, the boys are on the verge of splitting up. Tasked with keeping an eye on four gorgeous but spoiled rock stars, Nina’s determined to stick it out – and not fall for any of them …

Sputnik’s Guide to Life on Earth (7 April 2016)
Sputnik’s Guide to Life on Earth by award-winning author Frank Cottrell Boyce, with illustrations by Steven Lenton, will send your imagination into orbit!

The Blythes are a big, warm, rambunctious family who live on a small farm and sometimes foster children. Now Prez has come to live with them. But, though he seems cheerful and helpful, he never says a word.

Then one day Prez answers the door to someone claiming to be his relative. This small, loud stranger carries a backpack, walks with a swagger and goes by the name of Sputnik.

As Prez dithers on the doorstep, Sputnik strolls right past him and introduces himself to everyone in the household. Prez is amazed at the response. The family pat Sputnik on the head, call him a good boy and drop food into his mouth. It seems they all think Sputnik is a dog. It’s only Prez who thinks otherwise.

But Prez soon finds himself having to defend the family from the chaos and danger unleashed by Sputnik, as household items come to life – like a TV remote that fast-forwards people: ‘Anyone can do it, it’s just that people don’t read the instructions properly’; and a toy lightsaber that entertains guests at a children’s party, until one of them is nearly decapitated by it – and Prez is going to have to use his voice to explain himself.

It turns out that Sputnik is writing a guidebook to Earth called Ten Things Worth Doing on Earth, and he takes Prez on a journey to discover just those ten things. Each adventure seems to take Prez nearer to the heart of the family he is being fostered by. But they also take him closer to the day that he is due to leave them forever . . .

The Monstrous Child by Francesca Simon (5 May 2016)
A stunning, operatic, epic drama, like no other. Meet Hel, an ordinary teenager – and goddess of the Underworld. Why is life so unfair? Hel tries to make the best of it, creating gleaming halls in her dark kingdom and welcoming the dead who she is forced to host for eternity. Until eternity itself is threatened.

Kill the Boy Band (19 May 2016)
Fangirls get a bad rap all the time – people say we’re weird, hysterical, obsessed, certifiable. But those people don’t understand.

Just because we’re fangirls, doesn’t mean we’re crazy.

It’s important you know that up front. Because everything I’m about to tell you is going to seem . . . well, crazy.

From thrilling debut author Goldy Moldavsky comes Kill The Boy Band, a pitch-black, hilarious take on modern fandom and the badass girls who have the power to make – or break – the people we call ‘celebrities’.

New Guard (2 June 2016)
Ryan Sharma is a CHERUB agent. Working undercover, he can slip under adult radar and get information that sends criminals and terrorists to jail.

Now he’s investigating a double kidnapping, working with mission controller James Adams.

In the mission to end all missions, Ryan and James must assemble a team of legendary CHERUB agents to find the hostages and bring them home …

The last and most exciting ever title in the bestselling CHERUB series.

Truth or Beard by Penny Reid


Beards, brothers, and bikers! Oh my!

“In all honesty, I’d enjoyed the horse ride more than the man ride. At least the horse had been a stallion. Looking back, my lab TA was more like a Shetland pony—hairy and small.”

And just like that, I fell for this book hook, line and sinker. This was my first read from Penny and I don’t know why it took me so long to pick up one of her books. I loved her humour and in Truth or Beard, Penny Reid dispenses it deftly and liberally.

Truth or Beard is the first book off of her Winston Brothers series, which is a spin-off of her wildly popular Knitting in the City series. While the Knitting in the City series is more focused on the group of women who bonded over their love for knitting, the Winston Brothers is more focused on…the Winston brood. With their gorgeous beards, good looks and strapping physique, the Winston brothers have a bit of reputation in Green Valley.

Identical twins Beau and Duane Winston might share the same devastatingly handsome face, but where Beau is outgoing and sociable, Duane is broody and reserved. This is why Jessica James, recent college graduate and perpetual level headed good girl, has been in naïve and unhealthy infatuation with Beau Winston for most of her life. His friendly smiles make her tongue-tied and weak-kneed, and she’s never been able to move beyond her childhood crush. Whereas Duane and Jessica have always been adversaries. She can’t stand him, and she’s pretty sure he can’t stand the sight of her…

But after a case of mistaken identity, Jessica finds herself in a massive confusion kerfuffle. Jessica James has spent her whole life paralyzed by the fantasy of Beau and her assumptions of Duane’s disdain; therefore she’s unprepared for the reality that is Duane’s insatiable interest, as well as his hot hands and hot mouth and hotter looks. Not helping Jessica’s muddled mind and good girl sensibilities, Duane seems to have gotten himself in trouble with the local biker gang.
Certainly, Beau’s magic spell is broken. Yet when Jessica finds herself drawn to the man who was always her adversary, now more dangerous than ever, how much of her level-headed heart is she willing to risk?

You can reserve a copy online at South Dublin Libraries’ catalogue here.

Welcome to Night Vale: A Novel by Joseph Fink and Jeffrey Cranor


Welcome to Night Vale is a biweekly podcast presented in the form of a local community radio show, hosted by Cecil Baldwin, for the town of Night Vale, which reports on the strange events that are common in the town: hooded figures roaming the town, statements from the Sheriff’s Secret Police, a Dog Park that by law nobody is allowed to enter, a literal five-headed dragon running for mayor. The podcast is one of the most popular, successful and well-known on the internet, with a huge, loyal fanbase so it was unsurprising that the writers announced a novel, especially given how well-written, and at times, novel-like, the podcast is.

So, first things first – do you have to have listened to the podcast to read this novel? The short answer is no. The book manages the trick of being both a self-contained story with new characters that can be read by anyone and something that is spun out of existing threads of the show too, mostly prominently the ominous and recurring character of The Man in the Tan Jacket, who is *finally* explained here.

This book is the story of two women, told mostly in alternating chapters – a style which works very well.

Jackie Fierro owns the town’s pawn shop, and she is nineteen. The only problem is is that she’s been nineteen for what feels like decades and almost can never remember being anything but nineteen. She is given a slip of paper by The Man in the Tan Jacket which has the phrase “King City” on it and no matter how hard she tries to remove or destroy it, it will not leave her hand.

Diane Crayton, Treasurer of the PTA, is trying her best to be a good parent to her moody teenage son Josh, who is also a shapeshifter. Josh’s father has returned to town and Diane keeps seeing him everywhere.

The stories inevitably collide, and then centre on the mystery of King City. What struck me the most about this book is how wonderfully expansive Night Vale feels in a novel format – perfectly suited. Also, these two men have a wonderful knack to writing women, and character in general. Despite the weirdness of the town, you are with them completely and rooting for them the whole way. I also found this novel unexpectedly moving and touching a number of times.

Linking it to the podcast, and serving as a way to both comment on the story of Diane and Jackie, and also bring in another perspective and characters from the podcast, transcripts of Cecil’s radio show are interspersed throughout the book. Interestingly enough – and I mean this as a form of compliment – you could almost do without them, so strong were the characters of Diane and Jackie, but I was still glad they were there.

In summary, if you like your fiction a little unusual, and are looking for something a little different, I recommend giving this a try. Underneath all of its oddity, Welcome to Night Vale, the novel is a book with a big, beating human heart, that like all of is, is just looking to be understood.


You can reserve a copy online at South Dublin Libraries’ catalogue here.

BONUS POST: Five Forthcoming Non-Fiction Books To Watch Out For

Fed-up with fiction? Here’s five forthcoming non-fiction books that have caught our eye.

All the Single Ladies: Unmarried Women and the Rise of an Independent Nation by Rebecca Traister (March 1, 2016)
A nuanced investigation into the sexual, economic, and emotional lives of women in America, this “singularly triumphant work” (Los Angeles Times) by Rebecca Traister “the most brilliant voice on feminism in the country” (Anne Lamott) is “sure to be vigorously discussed” (Booklist, starred review).

In 2009, the award-winning journalist Rebecca Traister started All the Single Ladies—a book she thought would be a work of contemporary journalism—about the twenty-first century phenomenon of the American single woman. It was the year the proportion of American women who were married dropped below fifty percent; and the median age of first marriages, which had remained between twenty and twenty-two years old for nearly a century (1890–1980), had risen dramatically to twenty-seven.

But over the course of her vast research and more than a hundred interviews with academics and social scientists and prominent single women, Traister discovered a startling truth: the phenomenon of the single woman in America is not a new one. And historically, when women were given options beyond early heterosexual marriage, the results were massive social change—temperance, abolition, secondary education, and more.

Today, only twenty percent of Americans are wed by age twenty-nine, compared to nearly sixty percent in 1960. The Population Reference Bureau calls it a “dramatic reversal.” All the Single Ladies is a remarkable portrait of contemporary American life and how we got here, through the lens of the single American woman. Covering class, race, sexual orientation, and filled with vivid anecdotes from fascinating contemporary and historical figures, All the Single Ladies is destined to be a classic work of social history and journalism. Exhaustively researched, brilliantly balanced, and told with Traister’s signature wit and insight, this book should be shelved alongside Gail Collins’s When Everything Changed.

Heads: A Biography of Psychedelic America by Jesse Jarnow (March 29, 2016)

Heads: A Biography of Psychedelic America uncovers a hidden history of the biggest psychedelic distribution and belief system the world has ever known. Through a collection of fast-paced interlocking narratives, it animates the tale of an alternate America and its wide-eyed citizens: the LSD-slinging graffiti writers of Central Park, the Dead-loving AI scientists of Stanford, utopian Whole Earth homesteaders, black market chemists, government-wanted Anonymous hackers, rogue explorers, East Village bluegrass pickers, spiritual seekers, Internet pioneers, entrepreneurs, pranksters, pioneering DJs, and a nation of Deadheads.

WFMU DJ and veteran music writer Jesse Jarnow draws on extensive new firsthand accounts from many never-before-interviewed subjects and a wealth of deep archival research to create a comic-book-colored and panoramic American landscape, taking readers for a guided tour of the hippie highway filled with lit-up explorers, peak trips, big busts, and scenic vistas, from Vermont to the Pacific Northwest, from the old world head capitals of San Francisco and New York to the geodesic dome—dotted valleys of Colorado and New Mexico. And with the psychedelic research moving into the mainstream for the first time in decades, Heads also recounts the story of the quiet entheogenic revolution that for years has been brewing resiliently in the Dead’s Technicolor shadow.

Featuring over four dozen images, many never before seen—including pop artist Keith Haring’s first publicly sold work—Heads weaves on of the 20th and 21st centuries’ most misunderstood subcultures into the fabric of the nation’s history. Written for anyone who wondered what happened to the heads after the Acid Tests, through the ’70s, during the Drug War, and on to the psychedelic present, Heads collects the essential history of how LSD, Deadheads, tie-dye, and the occasional bad trip have become familiar features of the American experience.

All Tomorrow’s Parties: A Memoir by Rob Spillman (April 5, 2016)
Rob Spillman—the award-winning, charismatic cofounding editor of the legendary Tin House magazine—has devoted his life to the rebellious pursuit of artistic authenticity. Born in Germany to two driven musicians, his childhood was spent among the West Berlin cognoscenti, in a city two hundred miles behind the Iron Curtain. There, the Berlin Wall stood as a stark reminder of the split between East and West, between suppressed dreams and freedom of expression.

After an unsettled youth moving between divorced parents in disparate cities, Spillman would eventually find his way into the literary world of New York City, only to abandon it to return to Berlin just months after the Wall came down. Twenty-five and newly married, Spillman and his wife, the writer Elissa Schappell, moved to the anarchic streets of East Berlin in search of the bohemian lifestyle of their idols. But Spillman soon discovered he was chasing the one thing that had always eluded him: a place, or person, to call home. In his intimate, entertaining, and heartfelt memoir, Spillman narrates a colorful, music-filled coming-of-age portrait of an artist’s life that is also a cultural exploration of a shifting Berlin.

The Midnight Assassin: Panic, Scandal, and the Hunt for America’s First Serial Killer by Skip Hollandsworth (Aprl 5, 2016)
A sweeping narrative history of a terrifying serial killer–America’s first–who stalked Austin, Texas in 1885.

In the late 1800s, the city of Austin, Texas was on the cusp of emerging from an isolated western outpost into a truly cosmopolitan metropolis. But beginning in December 1884, Austin was terrorized by someone equally as vicious and, in some ways, far more diabolical than London’s infamous Jack the Ripper. For almost exactly one year, the Midnight Assassin crisscrossed the entire city, striking on moonlit nights, using axes, knives, and long steel rods to rip apart women from every race and class. At the time the concept of a serial killer was unthinkable, but the murders continued, the killer became more brazen, and the citizens’ panic reached a fever pitch.

Before it was all over, at least a dozen men would be arrested in connection with the murders, and the crimes would expose what a newspaper described as “the most extensive and profound scandal ever known in Austin.” And yes, when Jack the Ripper began his attacks in 1888, London police investigators did wonder if the killer from Austin had crossed the ocean to terrorize their own city.

With vivid historical detail and novelistic flair, Texas Monthly journalist Skip Hollandsworth brings this terrifying saga to life.

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The Hatred of Poetry by Ben Lerner (June 7, 2016)
No art has been denounced as often as poetry. It’s even bemoaned by poets: “I, too, dislike it,” wrote Marianne Moore. “Many more people agree they hate poetry,” Ben Lerner writes, “than can agree what poetry is. I, too, dislike it and have largely organized my life around it and do not experience that as a contradiction because poetry and the hatred of poetry are inextricable in ways it is my purpose to explore.”

In this inventive and lucid essay, Lerner takes the hatred of poetry as the starting point of his defense of the art. He examines poetry’s greatest haters (beginning with Plato’s famous claim that an ideal city had no place for poets, who would only corrupt and mislead the young) and both its greatest and worst practitioners, providing inspired close readings of Keats, Dickinson, McGonagall, Whitman, and others. Throughout, he attempts to explain the noble failure at the heart of every truly great and truly horrible poem: the impulse to launch the experience of an individual into a timeless communal existence. In The Hatred of Poetry, Lerner has crafted an entertaining, personal, and entirely original examination of a vocation no less essential for being impossible.


For One More Day by Mitch Albom


“When someone is in your heart, they’re never truly gone. They can come back to you, even at unlikely times.”

For One More Day is the story of Charley Benetto & a fractured relationship between Mother and Son. As a child Charley chooses his father over his mother. Many years later Charley hits rock bottom & decides to take his own life. He makes a midnight ride to his small hometown; his final journey. But he makes an astonishing discovery……..

For One More Day explores the question: What would you do if you could spend one more day with a lost loved one? The story is simply & beautifully told. It will make you wistful. It will make you blink back tears of nostalgia.

This is a beautiful, haunting novel about the family we love and the chances we miss. Definitely one to read!

You can reserve a copy online at South Dublin Libraries’ catalogue here.